Conversate with Akeem D. Earle

AE (02:17.788)
Welcome back to Conversate with the Key of the Earl podcast. We have my very lovely co-host, La in the building, and we have some dope.

LaToya (02:26.19)
What up, what up, what up?

AE (02:29.118)
Topics for you guys today, but before we get into that, please like share subscribe to the podcast We are 10 episodes in I didn't realize that released our 10th episode Last come on son. You know I'm saying I feel like most podcasts don't make it right like episode 7 and we have so 10 bro We already moving Come on man. Next stop is 100. We're only stop until you get to 100 So thank y'all for coming along the journey with us so far and when you like share subscribe and join the family

LaToya (02:37.442)
Wow, we're doing it.

LaToya (02:44.406)
Yeah. Look at us putting in reps. Putting in reps.

Yes.

AE (02:59.162)
We get to bring you more amazing content like the one we got today. So loud. What we got?

LaToya (03:01.742)
For sure. Mm-hmm. So, you know, Akeem and I were trying to figure out what we were gonna talk about today because, you know, we we missed our last episode. Him and Shaq had a good conversation about the Stephen A. Smith talk. And so I asked him if there was anything he was dying to talk about. And this man came back with a whole list: AI streaming, Hollywood reboots, phones at concerts.

AE (03:13.052)
Yeah. Yeah.

AE (03:23.174)
You

LaToya (03:31.861)
creators versus celebrities, all that kind of stuff. And so naturally I said, did you use AI to come up with that list? And Akeem, what was your answer? All right. So and there we have it. So clearly we have our topic. So today we're talking about AI, you know, but not just whether it's good or bad. You know, we're talking about whether

AE (03:35.005)
Mmm.

Hahaha

AE (03:42.734)
Absolutely. I definitely did.

AE (03:49.779)
Right.

LaToya (03:58.295)
like where the like where we draw the line with it. I also wanted to get into something about that I've been thinking about lately. you know, what happens when AI isn't helping us work or create and when we start like using it to fill like some of our needs or even like around connection. And then I'm gonna let Akeem rant a little bit about his apparent beef with Chandler Moore's recent rollout.

AE (04:01.138)
Mm-hmm.

AE (04:25.493)
I checked in the rehab today. If you don't get out of bro, come on, son.

LaToya (04:31.126)
Listen, shout outs to those who have checked into rehab. Do what you gotta do. We're gonna talk. We're gonna talk about that. And we'll do some this or that. And yeah, just kinda just kinda check in. So before we you know, solve the future of humanity and all that kind of stuff with our podcast, I just wanted to check in with you and see how your wellness journey is going. We we got in we had I feel like a pretty transparent conversation about, you know.

AE (04:41.97)
Yeah. Awesome.

AE (04:50.558)
Eww.

AE (04:54.302)
Mmm.

LaToya (04:59.788)
our fitness and wellness goals and so just wanna see how things are going for you. Do you feel like you're still like motivated or like in a discipline phase, what's that looking like?

AE (05:01.683)
Yeah.

AE (05:07.23)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah motivated no my motivation My motivation is at an all-time low and it's crazy because i've made such amazing progress i'm so proud of myself What i've done this year is kind it's crazy. I'm just you see man. Say more a lot Are you proud of yourself that yo the episodes be healing me? but I i'm so proud of myself of what I accomplished but is

LaToya (05:11.85)
Mm-hmm.

LaToya (05:17.312)
Okay.

LaToya (05:21.388)
Yeah. Look at you. Proud of you. Proud of you.

LaToya (05:29.614)
Mm-hmm.

AE (05:37.311)
And I listen to a lot of fitness content and it's one thing to hear when somebody says, when you get to this point, these are the things that are going to happen and you need to still continue anyway. It's one thing to hear that and know that until you hit that wall and then you have to continue anyway. So I'm at the phase where I'm meal prepping all my meals. I track everything. I'm in the gym three, four times a week and my weight is going up.

LaToya (05:46.498)
Yeah.

LaToya (06:03.65)
Wow.

AE (06:05.15)
And it's annoying, but all the videos I watch, all the fitness content creators are like, this is going to happen. Like, don't pay attention to skill. But still, I'm like, what the? So also another crazy thing I do is that I weigh myself every day. I weigh myself every day and I average out all the weights. Because before I was doing like Wednesday to Wednesday, weigh myself every week. But it just felt like.

I built up too much anxiety around Wednesday. Like if I don't get a pound down by this Wednesday, it's all over. So to take the pressure off of the scale, I'm just going to weigh myself every day and know where I'm at and then average out the weight and that'll be my right weight. So those averages have been going up. Although my progress pitchers, I'm getting smaller. So I'm so happy. I'm so proud. But again, it's still a mental like

LaToya (06:32.814)
Yeah.

LaToya (06:47.416)
Yeah.

AE (06:59.174)
Why isn't this because for so long when I've tried to lose weight in the past is always the skill has been the gold standard.

LaToya (07:06.563)
Yeah.

AE (07:07.086)
and what people don't recognize when you're on this journey. It's hard to overcome these habits, man. Like eating is one thing, but then when you're tracking your lifts, when you're tracking the macros, when you're tracking the scale, these are all learned behaviors that you've learned over years of trying to lose this weight that you just can't shake overnight. So I think I'm at this space where like I've done better with the scale, but currently in this moment, I'm struggling with like

LaToya (07:23.224)
Mm-hmm.

AE (07:33.886)
I'm clearly losing weight. My body recomp is working. I'm doing the same things every day. Why is the scale going up? So that's where I'm at. So yeah.

LaToya (07:41.773)
Yeah. You know, I I feel like I'm I'm in a place where I'm like maintaining, so I'm not I'm not necessarily losing stuff right now. I I would like to lose some weight though. Like it's more it's like belly fat mostly. So I've been trying to like enlist all the specialists, like like tell me what I need to do. Like, you know, I work with a Chinese medicine doctor, I have a holistic medicine doctor.

AE (07:57.075)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

AE (08:03.785)
for real. You call it everybody.

LaToya (08:11.294)
And I have like a normal, like a regular like doctor or whatever. So I went to this Chinese medicine doctor and he told me that legit, like I do not sleep enough. And that's why I have like this like belly fat. He just was like, You're not resting, your cortisol levels are high, like just a lot of like stress. And so my body is like literally just like holding on to that, like as a protective, like measure. And I'm just like

AE (08:15.263)
Hey.

AE (08:33.737)
Yeah

AE (08:38.313)
Sheesh. Is this the same doctor that called you fat? It was like, yo, you too big?

LaToya (08:41.955)
No, that was that was a different actor. Moved on

AE (08:46.803)
Damn, these Asian doctors be wallin'. They don't be holdin' nothin' back. Sheesh.

LaToya (08:50.594)
They don't. No, this is like a new new person that I've like brought into my arsenal. and yeah, he just was like, yeah, me to do this like test or whatever. And he was just like, Yeah, you your your body is literally holding on to this fat, like in this very particular, like this specific area of your body. And I just was like, And so he was just like, You can do all the crunches you want. He was just like, really, you need to just you need to rest, you need to be sleeping.

AE (08:56.562)
Over.

AE (09:01.329)
Yeah. Hold it on,

AE (09:14.833)
Cheese!

Mmm.

LaToya (09:19.674)
drinking water, you you should you should be walking more. Like that'll help. But like what is gonna make a significant difference for you is like sleeping and g and and getting like a restful sleep. So I started taking like the stuff called magnesium glycinate. It's like a a liquid. And so that helps to like, you know, kind of like help me like wind down a little bit and go to sleep.

AE (09:31.935)
Shush!

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

LaToya (09:46.871)
But I still don't be sleeping enough. So I gotta gotta work on that and trying to you know. Well last night I didn't get none because I had an I pulled an overnight. So that's that I'm not proud of it. Don't averaging zero. But really, I'm probably averaging between like five to seven hours, which is still like not enough. and so

AE (09:50.205)
How many hours you usually get at night?

AE (09:55.136)
So you're averaging zero right now, okay.

AE (10:09.055)
Yeah.

LaToya (10:12.992)
And and is just like it's not just like sleeping, but it's like restful sleep. So yeah, I noticed that when I feel more rested, obviously my workout is like better. Like I have I'm I have more energy to participate. I'm also just like making better food decisions. so there's that. Like I I I didn't sleep that well this weekend, so I I ate all of the things. And so I so there was that.

AE (10:17.053)
You right.

AE (10:28.584)
Mm-hmm.

facts. clarity, mental clarity.

AE (10:39.695)
Hehehehehe

LaToya (10:42.99)
but like I mean I what I will say is like I still I like the way I look at my clothes, like I'm you know, working on that. Yeah. I I you know. Yeah. So I'm enjoying that. It's crazy because at the gym we were talking about like what what our motivations are for like working out. And people were saying like

AE (10:51.295)
I see them gram pictures. You out here stuntin' for the gram now.

Yeah.

LaToya (11:09.058)
I guess very inspirational things like, Yeah, I wanna show my kids that their mom can do this so you can be healthy and all this kind of stuff. And I was just like, I wanna look good in my clothes and w and not in my clothes. That is my that's my goal. so

AE (11:13.683)
They all lie.

AE (11:17.983)
Facts. Facts. Facts. Facts. And they'll probably all admit that too. They'll probably all agree too. We human beings.

LaToya (11:28.131)
yeah, they laughed and they was like, Yeah.

AE (11:33.536)
bro yeah no that's real yeah sleep for me too like like i was telling you earlier like my body shuts down when i don't get enough sleep and recognizing that's lowkey like the final boss whereas like if you can hone in sleep and rest and making sure like

LaToya (11:34.058)
yeah.

LaToya (11:50.798)
Mm-hmm.

AE (11:51.988)
your stretching and your mobility work is as consistent and on par as your food and your exercise, that might be the game changer. I know people always mention like LeBron and how he spends like a million dollars in recovery. And I can see it. I can see in the sense of if you have the money to...

LaToya (12:01.25)
Mm-hmm.

LaToya (12:06.424)
Mm-hmm.

AE (12:11.779)
Spend on making sure your body recovers in the most perfect way and you have the rest It helps having a billion dollars for sure But and the time to do that But I could see how if you're trying to optimize and play at that level to your 40 years old Man, of course like that rest of recovery is important. Yeah

LaToya (12:14.126)
Mm-hmm.

LaToya (12:17.954)
Yeah. Mm-hmm.

LaToya (12:27.01)
Yeah. Yeah. And I think that, you know, there's so many tools that are out there that help us like with or wellness. you know, whether you're wearing an Apple Watch or a Garmin or whatever, that really yeah, it's like that allow us to like track things and kind of like stay on top of like our progress. Like I have a scale that's connected to my phone and it shows me like it's tracking like my weight and like

AE (12:38.846)
Mm-hmm.

AE (12:53.064)
Yeah.

LaToya (12:56.588)
my bone density and like water kind of like all these like data. I'm just like, wow, this is like cool. but yeah, one thing that connects like wellness, you know, work and creativity, all of it is that, you know, we have so many tools now that are supposed to like really make our life easier. And like AI might be like one of the biggest ones. but easier and better aren't necessarily like the same thing. And so yeah, I feel like

AE (12:56.639)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. This Marks scale, Yeah.

AE (13:22.608)
Mm-hmm.

LaToya (13:26.178)
That's it's it'd be a good time to start kind of like talking about some of this AI stuff. it'd be cool to kind of like start with where we actually are instead of pretending like we're above it. Like, I use AI. you clearly use AI. You use it to help me come up with this topic. and yeah, I just I think that like like

AE (13:29.808)
Yeah.

AE (13:42.771)
Yes.

LaToya (13:56.111)
It's like to like well, maybe just like what are you actually using AI for just like on a daily basis or

AE (14:00.347)
Yeah, yeah, I will first admit that I'm the biggest hypocrite when it comes to this topic. I think AI might have us cooked while also actively and consistently using AI. I think it's an amazing invention, but I also think

It might be the end of our world. so I don't know And I you know, it's that seems so extreme and not in the end of our world like In terms of what people will use it for

And even Obama had a speech the other day where he was talking about even the companies who created certain AIs or took AI to a certain place, even they got scared and kind of had to pull back a little bit. That doesn't give me any hope because I feel like human behavior and human...

Nature tends to abuse things and use things for the worst way possible. that pulls me towards or makes me see the end of our world because I don't trust people. What I use AI for? I'm building a media company. I'm producing three, four podcasts. I edit all our clips and logos and all these things along with Tone. That's a lot of work for two people to do.

LaToya (15:06.52)
Mm-hmm.

LaToya (15:24.792)
Mm-hmm.

AE (15:25.455)
I 100 % use AI to assist me. And we've automated a lot of the process in terms of scheduling guests, in terms of putting our, just the scheduling process together, like what email gets sent to what person and the follow-up email and the details, all these different, there's so many moving parts. So I 100 % use AI to assist us with that. I use AI for my fitness journey. I say the, I didn't, I've not used a trainer.

LaToya (15:30.371)
Yeah.

LaToya (15:43.256)
Mm-hmm.

AE (15:53.889)
To lose 30 pounds this year. I told AI where I was currently at put my numbers in what do I need to do? Give me the workouts whatever and I just did it All that to say there's a fear of AI replacing thinking For me personally, I control what? Thinking I want my AI to do I'm okay with outsourcing

LaToya (15:56.238)
Mm-hmm.

AE (16:19.808)
certain parts of what lifts I should do or frequency, whatever. I don't want to have to sit down and think long and hard about that because I don't got the time to, and I would have paid a trainer to do that anyway. So I'm going to save my a hundred dollars an hour because I don't got it because gas is $5 and eggs and milk is going up. So I'm going to save that money and ask this tool.

LaToya (16:29.069)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

LaToya (16:36.992)
Yeah.

AE (16:44.76)
what lifts I should be doing next Thursday. I'm perfectly fine with that, especially when it comes to the media company as well. I believe so much in my ideas and the credit in my creativity and also the ideas that the people who I collab with that I don't fear AI becoming.

the whole lawyer podcast or AI becoming the conversation podcast. The reason why I created these podcasts in the first place is because I appreciate human opinion and perspective and stories. So the day that AI now replaces my thinking and my creativity in this space, will be no more podcasts. And I wouldn't want to continue this anyway.

LaToya (17:17.998)
Mm-hmm.

LaToya (17:26.808)
Yeah.

AE (17:29.906)
Every episode, I'm like, AI, write the script and tell me what to say. Or I'm going to shoot a video or give AI my likeness until I to record a video for episode 307. I would never because I value human stories and human connection way too much. So that's how I use AI. The long answer.

LaToya (17:44.332)
Yeah.

LaToya (17:48.653)
Yeah. You know, I am using it a lot for like I use it for like brainstorming. I use it to help organize my thoughts. I'm out here non diagnosed, unofficial ADHD. So I don't

AE (17:57.375)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

AE (18:01.504)
I got the ADHD. I got the ADD. I got all of it, bro.

LaToya (18:06.904)
So I do find it's like helpful to kinda like put like thoughts together or just like help me to sort of like organize like thought processes. or if I need help sort of like research like starting points. I'm editing. I use Canva and just like some other like tools. and they they've got a lot of a lot of apps like have AI integration in it in them now as well. So really

AE (18:15.968)
Mm-hmm.

AE (18:22.684)
Yeah.

Yep.

LaToya (18:37.334)
Really for me it's around like efficiency. and sort of like helping to bring some like structure. And it's just like if if you're gonna help automate this, like and it's gonna help cut down on time and it didn't cost me any money to do this or I mean, and I'm sure it will cost me something in the end. I'm like I'm like waiting for the robots to take over. Like I'm lightweight scared, like I'm very scared for that. But yeah.

AE (18:49.959)
Exactly.

AE (18:54.449)
You

AE (19:03.464)
Listen, man.

LaToya (19:05.686)
I yeah, a lot. I mean, I do use it for like brainstorming. I've taken like AI sort of like usage like courses like with people, especially like when stuff like chat and some other apps were just kind of like initially like rolling out and it was and the the point of those those meetings that I would go to was just like like black women, like how can we help you get your money up? And like here's ways that you can use AI to s like support.

AE (19:16.84)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

AE (19:22.57)
Mm-hmm.

LaToya (19:35.899)
not just like efficiency, but just like ideas for like helping just like generate like more income. So those are some ways that I use it. What would you say what do you what do you not use AI for? Because I think it that is also like really important. I know you talked about the importance of a of the human connection, which I think is like great, but just like are there any like specific things that you would not use AI for?

AE (19:41.844)
Right.

AE (19:51.839)
Mm-hmm.

AE (20:01.608)
Yeah, any.

detailed finances, like account numbers, stuff like that, any private information.

it replacing your spouse or your therapist or your pastor. And I use the word replace because even the video you sent me about the pastor was like, people talk to their chat and share certain things with it. I'm not completely opposed with people using chat GPT to share their feelings or to use chat GPT as a sounding board.

LaToya (20:42.062)
Mm-hmm.

AE (20:44.148)
Because I feel like what is our end goal? Like when we go to therapy, when we go to our pastors, we're trying to work something out. We're trying to find answers. We're trying to understand the situation.

Chad GBT and AI has collected information from, cause these are real stories. These are real experiences that AI is gathering and have information and answers that you would probably get from a therapist in the past. I'm not saying it should replace it, but I'm saying for the people who either don't have resources to access a therapist, because therapists are expensive and people tend to leave that out when it's like, you need real therapy. Like that stuff is expensive.

LaToya (21:20.227)
Mm-hmm.

AE (21:25.498)
If you don't have insurance and even if you do have insurance trying to find a good one i'm, sorry, like I hope hope we get a better help ad collab, but better help is getting sued every other month so it's like If people could pay for chat pay $20 a month at chat gbt and it gives them a sounding board And it's and they feel safe enough to share

LaToya (21:33.672)
Yeah.

LaToya (21:37.964)
Right.

AE (21:51.421)
I'm not completely opposed to it. I do feel like if it now becomes...

your anchor and it becomes your main and becomes your everything. Now we're talking about a real issue, but I understand the concern because the response would not be well-keen. Like how do you monitor that? How do you, how do you know when somebody has gone too far? I don't know. That's why this thing is crazy. That's why this whole thing is crazy. But it's feel like people need help, man. Like people are going through a lot of stuff and

LaToya (22:13.516)
Right.

AE (22:23.84)
I learned that even last week with something I went through at my job. It's like, just never know what people are going through and why you have to treat people with care whenever you interact with them. So I could just see a world where if somebody is lonely, somebody doesn't have community, somebody doesn't have that or resources, if they talk to chat GBT and they feel like their nervous system is being regulated and they're able to calm down or be less stressed, do what you gotta do.

LaToya (22:50.754)
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I guess I kind of think about the original question that we talked about when we said like, you know, when does the tool like become the creator? and you know, like where is the line between like AI sort of like helping us to like create something versus like AI actually being the creator? And so like if I write something, an essay or whatever, if I write something and I tell AI to clean it up.

AE (23:00.766)
Yeah,

AE (23:13.471)
Right.

LaToya (23:19.148)
I still feel like that's mine. Like I just feel like I got a free, like a a copy editor or whatever. But if I say, Hey chat, thinking like a you know, chief of staff, write me a proposal to our board, it needs to be a thousand words, and I put my name on it, did I actually create did I create that? Like,

AE (23:24.744)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

AE (23:41.576)
Right, right. You still need the process of putting your hands to something. That's why me and Tonya want to write a screenplay. If we wanted to write the screenplay, I wouldn't go, hey, chat, write me a screenplay about somebody who grew up in the Bronx who wants to be a famous actress. It would be, chat, what?

LaToya (23:49.742)
Mm-hmm.

LaToya (24:04.024)
Mm-hmm.

AE (24:07.221)
Do I need to write a screenplay? Like, where should I start? What are the structure? how should I? Because I want my ideas to be, my ideas to be on the paper. But in order for me to, like you said, it's kind of speeding up the process where it's like, I could either go and watch a YouTube video for 30 minutes on somebody talking about, here's how you structure a screenplay. Sure, you could definitely do that. But if somebody wants to go, hey,

LaToya (24:18.146)
Mm-hmm.

AE (24:34.145)
What do I need to write a screenplay? Where do I start? What are the bones to a screenplay?

LaToya (24:39.574)
Yeah. I mean I guess like so thinking of the the screenplay, like if AI wrote the first draft and you substantially edit, rewrite it, like is it is it yours or is it like I guess

AE (24:43.509)
Mm-hmm.

AE (24:51.655)
Nah, my only stance on this is the idea, the core idea has to be yours. That's why I draw my line. If I have an idea for the whole lawyer, all my guests have been somebody I came across, this person would be great, we should talk about this. Then I go to chat and be like, hey, what's a question I can ask based on this? Or write me their bio. Here's the information, give me the bio. I'll do stuff like that.

LaToya (24:57.504)
Yeah. Mm-hmm.

LaToya (25:18.99)
Mm-hmm.

AE (25:21.375)
the core idea, and I know I didn't do this for this episode. That's why I mind admitting it, because yeah, I don't usually do that. But because we was like, need to record tomorrow, was like, what can we talk about? my first is, I want the core idea to be mine, and I'm going to use AI as a tool to flush it all out. Flush it all out, yeah.

LaToya (25:40.281)
Yeah. So does I guess okay, if we think about like an artist might work with producers, writers, engineers, and other like musicians if they're putting putting together. An author is gonna have an editor, director has an entire crew. So why does collaborating with AI feel different? Like and is the problem like colla collaboration or is it that the collaborator isn't human? Like

AE (25:49.525)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

AE (26:01.313)
Big. Yeah.

AE (26:09.067)
that the collaborator is a human.

LaToya (26:10.542)
Mm-hmm.

AE (26:11.265)
My dad used to write essays like crazy growing up. He got his PhD. He's a teacher. He was a principal. And he's going write these amazing essays because he just loved to write. And his peer review was his one of his best friends who was also a teacher who also came from Jamaica. He worked with most of his life and any essay he would write or any speech he was writing because he would also give speeches. He would send it to her like, give me and they would this is is handwritten. This is my name. We don't want to type it.

LaToya (26:21.549)
Mm-hmm.

LaToya (26:40.691)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

AE (26:41.279)
old school, they were handwritten and she will go through it with a pen and pencil and hand write edits, whatever. And they will go. And I think I always felt like that's what made their friendship strong. Like that's what made, that's a part of their friendship because they're both academics and they like to do this thing.

LaToya (26:59.854)
Mm-hmm.

AE (27:00.583)
Imagine if my dad had AI and never built this bomb with his friend and colleague through this collaborative process. That would be a shame. So I think it's the fact that it's AI. And as a person who loves to collab, I love working with people. If you don't have the resources, if you want to shoot a movie, especially some new undergrad or some new grad student who wants to be a director,

LaToya (27:09.858)
Mm-hmm.

AE (27:30.302)
you're going to use AI because you don't have the money to collab with a lighting person and the editor and this person and that person. As much as AI can automate that process, you're going to use it because things is expensive as hell and people got 10 different things going on. So we do lose that collaboration, but it feels like it's a necessity if you want to hit the ground running and if you want to get some systems around what you're trying to build.

LaToya (27:50.488)
Mm-hmm.

LaToya (27:59.747)
Yeah. You know, I keep thinking about the fact that, you know, AI does remove a lot of the struggle. Like I can't imagine what it would have been like to have to pull an all nighter and like write a paper in college like the way that I was doing back then. Like having to like ha or maybe not even finish reading the book, but just like having to like come up with a concept of five page essay, double space, all this kind of stuff.

AE (28:14.687)
Yo, yo.

LaToya (28:28.268)
And it's like now, you know, you could sort of like feed a prompt to AI and it can support that process. And it doesn't mean that people are fully using AI to like flush out ideas like now, you know, these schools and universities have a lot of tools that sort of like help prevent or or to like track is is like, did you use AI to write this? Like or did AI like write this or whatever? so you be careful, don't be out here just like trying to

AE (28:41.995)
Right.

AE (28:51.667)
Yeah. Yeah.

LaToya (28:57.23)
pull up full full essay on chat. and I think that there's there is something about that struggle. Like in some ways I feel like AI, like it it it's it's like folks are putting like fewer reps in the gym. Like that's the that's the best way that I can sort of like think about it. It's like, because I won't say that it's not it's not in I'm not saying that it discourages creativity because I I've also just like seen some like really

AE (28:59.028)
Yeah.

AE (29:13.161)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

LaToya (29:26.882)
beautiful things that sort of like come out of these like AI collaborations. But when it wasn't when having it was not even an option, like there also was like really beautiful like work coming together. Like I've seen people use AI to like write songs or whatever. And I'm thinking about like this is the 50th anniversary, or maybe it's the 50th anniversary of Songs in the Key of Life. Stevie Wonders like

AE (29:31.041)
Mm.

AE (29:52.738)
Mm-hmm. Ever. All time. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

LaToya (29:56.555)
work one of the best albums I think of like all times. And that man didn't have no AI, like he wrote that when he was like in his twenties, which is also just like amazing. and so you know, yeah, I don't I was gonna do you think like AI is making us more creative or making us less willing to think?

AE (30:20.509)
Yeah, so this is where my hypocrisy comes in. I hate that AI is being used in music. I think that should not be the case. If you want somehow to automate the producing process or to edit your album cover, I don't know. But AI artists...

LaToya (30:23.81)
Mm-hmm.

LaToya (30:31.276)
Yeah.

AE (30:45.541)
I vehemently oppose that. Like what Timbaland is doing, I don't like that. Especially Timbaland, one of the greatest producers of all time resorting to AI when you have, you can have artists at your doorstep, whatever artists you want to produce, whatever artists you want to put on, you can. And so for you to champion this whole AI artist movie, I hate it. It's also because like I can tell it's AI. I feel like art needs to be protected in that way. Even again, even in the podcast format, I would not listen to no podcast.

LaToya (31:06.134)
Mm-hmm.

AE (31:15.495)
If it's from an AI human being. I don't care if you're the one that wrote the words or put it in a prompt, whatever. I don't want the creator to be AI because I feel like humans are good enough for that. Use it as it assisted. Assist you in the creative process. Don't let it be the creator.

LaToya (31:18.06)
Mm-hmm.

LaToya (31:34.466)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

AE (31:37.815)
Like you said, there's something to value about that coming from human being. What Stevie Wonder did, Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, Earth, & Fire. It's probably a separate topic, it sometimes feels, especially when it comes to music, it sometimes feels like they were way ahead of their time. They discovered something that we can't even tap into today. They discovered all the sounds already. Like here, Michael Jackson record, or here in Prince of like, there's no way that you could top that. You just discovered it first.

LaToya (31:43.054)
Yeah.

LaToya (32:00.228)
Mm-hmm.

AE (32:07.414)
So to have that experience with music, and I'm sure people have the same reaction to art pieces, into movies, into film, to take that away from, the reason why it's beautiful is because it's from us. We can't believe, we can't believe.

LaToya (32:18.648)
Yeah.

AE (32:24.106)
Shaka Khan can sing like this. We can't believe 50 Cent can get Richard Dye trying and have everybody feel like they want to be outside in a ski basket or rob somebody. And you from the middle of Nebraska. That feeling came from a human being. And that's why it's so beautiful. So if once I hear an AI made this track or there's an AI art, yuck.

LaToya (32:25.74)
Right.

Yeah.

LaToya (32:33.964)
Ha ha ha

LaToya (32:41.804)
Yeah, for sure.

AE (32:50.946)
Like this is, this is curated. This is made. There's nothing special about this. Even when it comes to sports, like the reason why we enjoy it is because this guy's flying through the air. This guy's flying through, he's jumping out the gym.

Serena Williams won her 50th grand slam and this time she was pregnant and she did it just because like it's because of this human experience. Once you take that year, a robot short, you go build a robot to jump through the sky. That's not impressive. It's impressive. Michael Jordan dropping 40 in the game where in the flu game, because he's human and he just did something inhumane. So yeah.

LaToya (33:09.26)
Right.

LaToya (33:23.798)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. No, that's real. Yeah. And I think that I guess the i I guess kind of like thinking about AI, something that's been having me think about it lately. Again, kind of going back to using AI around like human connection. can AI make us feel more connected while actually making us feel like less connected to people? Like I I know people who will have a full out like

AE (33:38.306)
Mm-hmm.

AE (33:47.852)
For sure.

LaToya (33:52.387)
Session with AI as opposed to like having a conversation like with a friend. and I've used AI to sort of like flesh out like like it like I've used it for like prompts on like dating apps. Like help me to like how how do I sound more like how can this make me sound right approachable? How do I sound like this is making me sound approachable? Like or whatever, and I'm like

AE (33:53.794)
You

Mm-hmm.

AE (34:09.15)
Mm-hmm. Make this sound more sexy. Sexify this chat.

Yeah, yeah.

LaToya (34:22.348)
You know, I so I did a five K a couple of weeks ago. I and and here in Baltimore and I had matched with this guy like on an app or whatever and we were talking about what we were doing this over the weekend and you know I told him I was doing the race and he was just like, What race is it? And I was told him the name of it and he was like, I'm doing that race too. We had not met each other like in person. So then

AE (34:28.353)
Yeah.

AE (34:36.33)
Mm.

AE (34:49.378)
Mmm. Mm-hmm.

LaToya (34:52.716)
I was like, I I got on chat and I said, Chat, should I like, like, is it too much if I was like, hey, like we should meet up? Like, could I have processed that on my own? Like, am I like, do I sound thirsty? Do I sound like it's just like, why am I like asking this machine? But like, sure enough, I I definitely asked. It's just like it's just like this sounds like a great opportunity to meet someone. And like it it's it sort of gave me this like

AE (35:01.154)
You

AE (35:09.567)
Mm-hmm

AE (35:15.401)
Yeah. Yeah.

LaToya (35:22.466)
Beautiful analysis and it's like sounds a low stakes opportunity to meet someone like doing something that you I won't say I enjoy running, but just like that you doing something that you value movement. You said that you want to be with somebody who is physically active. So it's so so let's see if he shows up or whatever. Let's see if he's, you know, actually out there like running. And so sure enough, I was just was like, Yeah, like hey, let's get together or whatever.

AE (35:23.232)
Mm-hmm.

AE (35:35.842)
Mmmmm

AE (35:40.354)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

LaToya (35:50.583)
And we did and it was fine. But like, you know, yeah, so I I I'll be using it, but like I do also like, you know, I'm making sure I like having like I'm a connector and like being around people is like paramount to me. So I I am also like making sure that I'm like enlisting my friends and being like, yo, he showed up, like da da da like so I'm like telling telling them about it.

AE (35:52.459)
Yeah.

AE (36:03.767)
Mm-hmm.

AE (36:15.882)
Right, yeah, yeah.

LaToya (36:17.292)
I don't go back to chat and be like, hey, he showed up and this is what the this is what he had on and this is what the experience was like and da-da-da-da. I wasn't, it wasn't, it wasn't any of that. but yeah. And I just was like, can do you think that like real relationships, like, do you think that they can compete with something that is literally designed to respond to you? So like AI, like, like you put in a prompt and it's

AE (36:22.563)
It's a misu in it. Yeah.

LaToya (36:44.492)
it's going to answer. Like if you're also paying it twenty dollars a month to do so. Or or and some folks are paying free, like are using tools for free. And so I guess the difference is that like, you know, when I guess when it comes to like real real people can be like inconvenient. Like sometimes like folks are having a bad day or they don't respond kind of like in the timing that you want them to. So it's like, well let me just ask chat, you know

AE (36:48.578)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, yeah.

AE (37:09.856)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

LaToya (37:12.672)
Or maybe they misunderstand you. And so does does like working with AI, I guess particularly as you're like processing something that maybe traditionally you would have processed with a human being, like, like I guess do you see like where there is like there's an advantage that you have in like using the tool that like is skewed towards you? Not that you're like telling it to tell you what you want.

AE (37:40.232)
Right. Yeah.

LaToya (37:42.232)
But like sometimes it might because it's it's a tool. So mm.

AE (37:45.595)
Your area You know, that's definitely a fear and a downside to it where yeah, it is bias in that way But it's also in a way that you have friends that you call That you know, that's gonna tell you what you want to hear and then And then when you actually were kind, let me actually hear the truth. Let me go call this person because actually

LaToya (38:00.567)
Right.

AE (38:09.474)
Again, I feel like anything can be abused and taken advantage of. When Google Maps was created, did people feel like they're no longer going to be connected to the Earth and be one with nature and to understand? Because I remember we used to take family trips down to Florida from New York, and my sister would use a physical map. There was a paper map. And yeah, right down to I-95 and track it all the way down.

LaToya (38:27.746)
Yeah, a paper map. Mm-hmm.

AE (38:34.178)
When Google first it was was map quest at first and then we started printing out. Yeah, you started printing out the thing Nobody said nothing that nobody was like we're gonna lose this skill We're gonna lose this connection and then we're Google maps game. I'll do a lot of last time I saw a physical bet

LaToya (38:36.355)
Map quest.

LaToya (38:48.866)
People don't even know how to read maps anymore. Like that's it's like a real thing. It

AE (38:53.046)
But is that a skill that people still need? Would people be at a detriment if they don't know? Yes, if a zombie apocalypse happened, sure. But would that be something that they would need?

LaToya (39:05.966)
I mean, I don't even think we have to think that far of like a zombie apocalypse. Like we could like the internet could go down or we could lose like an electricity like grid. And so it's like, I don't know how to get to work because I only use Apple Maps or I only use, you know what I mean? So I do think that the the skill of like knowing how to read a map or being like, this is this is north, like

AE (39:13.526)
Yeah, sure.

AE (39:20.662)
Yeah.

LaToya (39:32.461)
based on like being able to look at the star or whatever. Not that you need to memorize routes everywhere you're going, but like I just think that like we just have to be mindful of not getting like locked into these like golden like handcuffs. Like I use maps or like directions kind of like apps mostly like to help navigate around traffic patterns because it's like

AE (39:32.982)
True, yes.

AE (39:51.307)
Yeah.

AE (39:59.96)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

LaToya (40:00.813)
I need you to like I'm trying to get here like as fast as possible. But I also try to make sure that I don't zone out so much while I'm on in route somewhere to where like I don't know where I'm at. Like or I'm just like which which high which which exit did I get off on? Like because I be losing my I my phone be dying all the time. The charging port doesn't work always or whatever, like in my in the car. And so I'm like, am I not gonna be able to get home? Like if I

AE (40:12.545)
Mmm.

Right, it's real, yeah.

AE (40:20.131)
Yeah, that's real.

AE (40:27.843)
Mmm.

LaToya (40:28.258)
Like if I don't have access to that. So yeah.

AE (40:32.673)
But I feel like we're already in golden handcuffs. I feel like that's why this AI thing is so interesting because I feel like we're already too far gone. We think about Amazon and the convenience that Amazon does. Amazon has a chip that you can insert into your skin and buy your groceries with.

LaToya (40:51.082)
Not doing that.

AE (40:51.349)
It came out, this came out, this came out years ago and I didn't think it was real until we were on a field trip, not a field trip, we was going on a trip and we stopped by one of the Amazon stores and that was one of the payment options on the thing we was checking out, is the Amazon One Restay. And that just tells me that people did it. They had to install it. Somebody.

LaToya (40:53.966)
Mm-hmm.

LaToya (41:11.124)
Right. It's the mark of the beast. It's the mark of the beast. I'm not doing it.

AE (41:17.111)
You see what I'm saying? Like we have given so much over to convenience. It's funny how people are having such a visual reaction to AI because like I said, we might be already cooked. And it's not to say that, we're cooked so let's give everything up. I just want us to be aware of like what this really is. You brought up even like, you brought up Google. I remember.

When I used to to write a paper, I used to be on the fourth page of Google. I used to go down to rabble. need to go to rebel. You have to go.

AE (41:59.042)
Yeah, we used to, maybe we had to research a paper. Crap, hold on. Give me one second.

LaToya (42:04.728)
Yeah.

AE (42:33.367)
Yeah, when we had to write a paper for class, and first of all, using an encyclopedias. But when we hit the Google, all the tabs you're scrolling down now, you'll be lucky if you even click on the first link, because AI is the first thing that comes up with the chat box. Google has changed forever because of this thing.

LaToya (42:36.376)
He was mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

LaToya (42:52.366)
Yeah. Yep.

AE (43:01.301)
You see what saying? Like it's either.

AE (43:06.445)
Part of me feels like the wrong question is asking how far this can go. The right question is how can we best use this while it's here? And how can we best use it to protect our minds, to protect our own creativity, but also use it to our benefit?

LaToya (43:28.856)
Would you use AI to draft an apology to your wife?

AE (43:37.129)
No, no, I wouldn't.

AE (43:45.176)
It's stuff like that, like you decide what's sacred or you decide what you want to keep for yourself. I want to have one of my professors on who's a business org professor, well accomplished, great writer. And he's still writing essays for the law journal to this day.

LaToya (43:51.694)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

LaToya (44:01.177)
Mm-hmm.

AE (44:05.971)
I doubt he's using AI to write his papers because he's a really good writer and I'm sure for him that's sacred. So why would I give that process up or give that I get from writing up to something else? I think anybody has to decide what that is for themselves. If you find that writing poems is sacred for you and you enjoy the process and you want it to be your words or your feelings, then don't use chat. And I feel like don't use it to

LaToya (44:10.316)
Yeah.

LaToya (44:20.077)
Mm-hmm.

LaToya (44:31.256)
Mm-hmm.

AE (44:35.895)
take that thing from you. yeah, it's about an apology, I would definitely keep it to myself. I'll definitely do that myself.

LaToya (44:46.456)
Would you use it to write so there's an apology to your spouse and maybe there's a an apology to your or I don't know like like if if there was like a if your if like something erroneous like came up like in a brief or whatever that you submitted or whatever, would you use AI? How would you feel about using AI to like write that?

AE (45:09.795)
Mm.

AE (45:17.387)
So I would use AI to like scan the cases and I would also probably use AI to do like a final.

LaToya (45:22.061)
Mm-hmm.

AE (45:29.955)
briefed through the draft. like, here's the final thing, briefed through it, review it. But even funny brought up cases, LexisNexis, like our case search that most lawyers use, they all have chat bots. Westlaw, LexisNexis, all have, not just chat bots, they have full on AI systems that you put in, is that what you said? You could put in the opposing counsel's motion and it will research all the law

LaToya (45:40.813)
Mm-hmm.

LaToya (45:45.528)
Wow.

LaToya (45:54.51)
Mm-hmm.

AE (45:59.862)
flush out everything for you and spit out a response. And it's funny, I was talking to my wife about this the other day. was like, how valuable is legal writing gonna be in 10 years? Because if these AI chatbots could do that, again, the judge, I don't think he's gonna have an AI feature that's gonna be like, is this AI or not? They don't care. like, what's the argument? How can I rule on it? What's the case law? Is the case law shepardized and current and all that stuff? Cool.

LaToya (46:10.36)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

AE (46:29.891)
I don't know how valuable it's going to be for, unless it's some legal writing competition, I don't know how valuable it's going to be when it comes to actual case law, how good of a writer you are, because AI could collect every case that's relevant at the drop of a dime. Already when it comes to legal motions, it's already so robotic anyway. There's not much creativity you can do. I was writing a motion the other day and I went home to my wife and I was like, I chose to write this line to

start the next paragraph, I thought I'd be so fired. And then everything else is all like just case law. There's very sliver of bulwark, so you get to be like, I want to be creative in my motion. It's like, no. What's the law? What's the facts? How should you rule? So the

LaToya (47:10.679)
Right.

AE (47:15.553)
And I don't want to start to get shots at legal writers, but that's why never joined law journals, stuff like that, because it always felt like, where is the creativity in this? Where can you find something unique in this? With AI, I feel like that completely just tanks it completely. Yeah. Yeah, so that's my answer.

LaToya (47:23.534)
Yeah.

LaToya (47:31.919)
Okay. Well, I feel like my brain has done plenty of heavy lifting around AI. So thank you for sharing your thoughts on this. We still won't we still gonna use it, but we still gonna be out here being creative as well and having and having real conversations with people. So there's that. so let's talk about some other things that matter. So Akeem apparently has an issue with Chandler Moore.

AE (47:38.945)
Hahaha

Yes, that's a of AI. That's a lot of AI. Yeah, for sure. Thank you for shooting this.

AE (47:50.32)
for sure.

Yeah. Yeah.

AE (48:00.774)
Yes.

LaToya (48:01.007)
you talked about hating the rollout. I'm gonna give you an opportunity to present your case. So talk to us, Akeem.

AE (48:10.948)
I don't like an album rollout around rehab. I'm sorry. I know We're in an era of like vulnerability and transparency and I love it. I respect it I just think when it comes to rehab just go to rehab my brother Like the song first of all, don't it sound cheesy to me. I checked in the rehab today and I know it's gonna connect with somebody I was he did he release it

LaToya (48:34.558)
And it's behind a paywall, so you can't even listen to the full song unless you

AE (48:40.046)
Cause I was looking for it. So that hasn't even been released.

LaToya (48:41.674)
No, so you have to go on to his website. So I went to his Instagram. So when we were when we were using AI to come up with the topics for today's conversation, I yeah, so I wanted to know a little bit more about what he had going on. So I went to his Instagram. he had a snippet of the song that he was singing, and then it's a like link in the bio, went to the went to his bio. He's got this new web site website. You can sign up to be a member to it. but you

AE (48:44.929)
Uh-huh.

AE (48:51.67)
Yeah

AE (49:07.108)
Mm-hmm.

LaToya (49:11.66)
also have to pay to it the song is behind a paywall and like now it's like you have to and like he's got like some journal entries there and I guess it's supposed to talk about his rehab journey. I did not pay. I didn't pay though I did not I did not.

AE (49:29.092)
He didn't pay for the for the rehab bop Yeah, no, I don't like that if you're be transparent just be transparent

Everything is a rollout. don't like I feel like I There was a moment that Chandler Moore became An artist and a star and it was very clear and vivid and this just feels like just another move for him and i'm sure he talked to his publicists and producers and stuff like that like this would be fire do a rehab thing

LaToya (49:40.888)
Do you Yeah.

LaToya (49:57.346)
Yeah.

LaToya (50:02.794)
Maybe he used AI. Maybe he used AI.

AE (50:04.532)
Maybe or me. Yeah, that's Yeah, that's we got double check. I just can't take everything it Take and that's another part of it too. It's like notice we take it everything from me. I like you. Yeah, we get lots of wrong, but Yeah It just feels like a rollout. It just feels like a move and an angle and I don't like that like

LaToya (50:09.007)
Ha ha ha.

AE (50:28.962)
Rehab is a very serious thing and people struggle with addiction. So I appreciate his transparency on that. But for me, it comes off using it as a jumping point. So that's why I don't like it. It's like, if you're in rehab, why you release some music or editing or being on Instagram or I don't know if somebody else is running it. But if you're going to be away, be away and do the work and then come back with a song.

But I checked it to rehab today. So it was like, is it like an outpatient type thing or inpatient? You get the cover go. It's like weekend jail. Like you got to go for check it on Friday.

LaToya (51:06.35)
So apparently he went to rehab for forty days. I don't know when when that happened. but he apparently went I I I think I think you gotta pay. I wasn't willing to do that. I wasn't willing to do that. I I don't know. but it's also just like, you know, if the goal of the rollout is transparency, but it's

AE (51:14.626)
And do we know what is four? Do we know what three happens four?

You gotta pay to find out the addiction of choice? See that's crazy. That's ridiculous. That's too much.

LaToya (51:35.551)
now being like I I wanna tell you about something but in order for you to learn you gotta come pay for it. It's just like dangling like a carrot like ahead in front of our face. And so, you know, if if the you know, if someone telling us that he or she went to or that they went to rehab is like like that's deeply personal. And so like you don't owe us that. But like if you gon put us in your business

AE (51:58.382)
Mm-hmm.

Exactly.

LaToya (52:05.27)
like don't make us like running around like looking for like the information or whatever. It's just it's kind of like giving it to a place where like now the rollout is becoming bigger than the music, which is what we know him for. We don't know him as a as an advocate or you know, a spokesperson for addiction. especially again like now, like addicted to what? Like what was you out here addicted to? Because you told us you was addicted. Like I don't know.

AE (52:24.382)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

AE (52:30.871)
Yeah, yeah.

LaToya (52:34.442)
So but I didn't lose no sleep over it. Like you you was mad. So that's why I wanted to give you some space to to present your case.

AE (52:39.588)
I was a bad person. I just hate annoying stuff, especially from artists I really used to like like Chandler Moore was the best praise the worship leader at one point like nobody was touching him and I like his voice I like his music and I feel like when when Chandler Moore locks in he makes it music amazing music this rehab joint and God, I'm just grateful for I hate that song. It's not good. I'm sorry. Like the sauce is gone. That's what I'm saying

I felt the same way when Drake lost to Kendrick in the battle. Sit down for a year or two. Take some time. What they say distance or time makes the heart grow fonder. Like go away. Take some time. Chill out. know people be itching to just be back in the limelight. Be itching. Like sometimes your best stuff comes from just stopping, pausing, recalibrating.

LaToya (53:32.941)
Yeah.

AE (53:35.693)
St. This is a parallel to the fitness thing. It's another thing that's been going on this week. Last week, I did not lift any weights. I told myself I needed to rest because I felt fatigued. I felt it. I couldn't even go to the gym. was like, yo, I'm just tired. I'm just tired. So this week I'm back in the gym and way more energy. And it's the fear of like, if I take a week off or two weeks off,

I'm gonna like fall out or i'm not going to be able to do enough or i'm not going to be as good I think it's the same thing when it comes to music is like this fear of like if i'm not always in the limelight if i'm not always in people's faces i'm gonna lose the sauce when actuality the answer isn't taking a break isn't stopping isn't taking time to let your body rest your mind rest like

LaToya (54:13.87)
Mm-hmm.

AE (54:26.564)
That's why I needed the channel more to do go to rehab and chill We don't to hear from you don't need to see you and come back with a fire album because these songs is trash, bro It's trash 100 % Taylor's Taylor's

LaToya (54:35.544)
Do you think that Taylor Swift should take a break to you? You also had some beef with her the Choose in Texas versus the the Patient Zero. That apparently her new song Dethroned Pa Patient Zero Det Dethroned Choose in Texas, that song.

AE (54:50.212)
Yeah Yeah choosing texas broke like the built the record for like longest-running billboard and then patient zero What she said? I know you're sick of him, but I was patient zero. Tell me what you think about that lyric What does that invoke you do that do anything for you? I really want to know I want to make sure there's not like a man thing like I'm trying to be like him because it's not the case for me I just appreciate good songwriting. I think that's terrible

LaToya (55:15.124)
You know, I in general I'm not a fan of Taylor Swift's music. So although I did go I I went to one concert and it was fired. This was like a while ago. This is yeah, this was a while ago. This is when the I think this was like this when the song like Big Reputation was out. it was a very I was entertained. I I was it was stadium tour, the you know, not

AE (55:28.17)
Really? Okay.

AE (55:34.98)
Mmm, I don't remember that but yeah Really the dancing and all that

LaToya (55:43.361)
I mean, again, it's like hard to it's like hard to see Beyonce and then be like Taylor Swift, you know, but I actually so so to be fair, I actually saw Taylor before I ever saw Beyonce. I didn't go to my first Beyonce concert until the Renaissance tour. Like I'd I'd never seen her live. But I saw Taylor, this is pre-COVID. and it was I was entertained, like it was it was fun. The songs were catchy, like I knew those songs. They were just like very popular songs.

AE (55:48.066)
Right, right. Your expectations were tempered. Yeah.

AE (55:55.363)
What?

Got you. That's for.

Mm-hmm.

AE (56:08.802)
Yeah.

LaToya (56:12.022)
this more recent music and just like some of her just like the way that that she's like presented this like very fragile like white woman and just like I don't know. I'm just like not into it. And again in preparation for this podcast I listened to Patient Zero and Choose in Texas and I I was just like this dethroned is this song? Like I just I was shocked like Patient Zero sounds

AE (56:22.989)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

AE (56:36.209)
Exactly. Exactly.

LaToya (56:40.672)
It's not a good song. Like it doesn't like you people are choosing to like sit in their car and listen to this. Like and that's how I know like bots are real and like because I'm like, I just can't I couldn't imagine just like turning that song on on purpose. And I don't just be out here like I don't I just don't like I don't regularly like listen to country music, but like as I was looking at the lyrics of

AE (56:42.124)
is not.

and bump this. Yo, put that page at zero.

AE (57:04.889)
Mm-hmm.

LaToya (57:07.118)
Shoes in Texas, like as I was listening to the song, I just was like, wow, like this is like really thoughtful and just like like lyric, like lyrics are really important to me, which is again why you know, if someone if AI wrote their whole album, like I like don't tell me that 'cause I'm gonna feel away about it. Cause I there is something about like knowing that this came from like within or whatever. but yeah, I I don't know how that happened. I I don't

AE (57:17.301)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

AE (57:26.104)
Sex. Mm-hmm.

LaToya (57:37.006)
I don't but is that like white on white crime and I just need to like let that like stay out of it.

AE (57:39.462)
Yo, I don't know and a prick And apparently the only way Taylor Swift fans check to listen for bad music is if they if she's talking about Travis Kelsey It is never about like the music they just mad that he she's talking about Travis coach, which is weird to me. I part of me feels like music can be objective like if somebody told you that

LaToya (57:51.982)
Mm-hmm.

LaToya (58:00.815)
Mm-hmm.

AE (58:06.423)
Stevie Wonder's Keys and the Key of Life isn't good, we will look at them like they're stupid. That means something about that album has to be objectively good for somebody to like, that's not good. For somebody to say, hey, that album is trash, we'll be like, no, there's no way that could be possible.

LaToya (58:12.408)
Mm-hmm.

LaToya (58:26.232)
Mm-hmm.

AE (58:26.275)
I think when it comes to certain music, we know what sonically is pleasing to our ears. So that's why I wouldn't, I listen to all types of Lennon music. I'm not like the biggest country fan, but if it's a fire song, it's a fire song. Like when Rascal Flax, when God blessed the broken road, bro, that's an amazing song.

LaToya (58:30.286)
Mm-hmm.

LaToya (58:38.53)
Mm-hmm.

LaToya (58:42.604)
Yeah. Have a real long thing.

AE (58:50.473)
Amazing amazing why lyrics ten Melody ten vocal performance tech like you can't deny that we listen to patient zero The lyrics is trash. I was sick of him first. So I was patient. I know you think about patient zero That's terrible songwriting and then even like the cadence of the chorus like if you were sick of him Then I was patient zero. It just don't sound good. And then she her singing

LaToya (58:57.45)
Yeah.

LaToya (59:17.101)
Yeah.

AE (59:19.173)
does nothing for me. It doesn't sound good. Like it doesn't, doesn't. So how was a good song? And I felt that way about Taylor Swift for a very long time. I haven't rocked with Taylor Swift since she released, her last good song was probably what, what's the, what's the, what's No, see, that's terrible. What's, what's the joint? she was, and I first saw you, clumped my eyes.

LaToya (59:33.262)
The one with juicy J.

LaToya (59:41.699)
Shake it off.

AE (59:49.594)
That's that's that's that's pre Kanye West Taylor Swift. That's why I do it pre Kanye Taylor Swift was the best Taylor Swift and I'm sitting ten toes on that When she was a her country bag her little indie folk bag

LaToya (59:52.398)
Yeah. yeah, yeah, yeah.

LaToya (59:59.159)
Yeah. Mm-hmm. When she was for real, for real is a country music artist and when she was with her audience.

AE (01:00:05.955)
That's her bag when she, some of her pop songs that some, some of her pop songs sound good, didn't they're real catchy and bumpy cool. But when Taylor Swift was in her bag was pre Kanye West. That's what I tell. I said it to my friend out there who's a big Taylor Swift fan.

Taylor Swift needs to get different songwriters and needs to get different producers. She needs to choose different music. I thought of Justin Bieber. Whoever produced Justin Bieber's last album needs to produce for Taylor Swift. That's my take.

LaToya (01:00:35.555)
Yeah.

AE (01:00:36.709)
Switch it up. Try something different with your voice, with your sound, because it's not good. And a lot of Swifties love Taylor Swift lyrics. Something deeply resonates with what Taylor Swift says. I can't get through a song of Taylor Swift's because it's just not good. The lyrics are so cheesy and corny. And it sounds like...

A little white girl or like a victim white girl woman going through white girl stuff and that's probably why I don't I can't relate so that's what I'm saying, but I can't relate to Ella Langley choosing Texas. Yeah, I don't know about how he could I can't tell by the way that he moves I can't but it's amazing. It's so good

LaToya (01:01:00.299)
Yeah.

LaToya (01:01:04.526)
You can't relate. You can't relate.

LaToya (01:01:16.886)
Hahaha!

LaToya (01:01:22.092)
Got you out here choosing Texas.

AE (01:01:23.781)
Right, I can't choose that. I don't know how you choose a text. I can't tell She could tell but I could you know what they I could feel that she could tell you know I'm saying like I can feel that she could tell by the way he moved that He he got somebody back in texas. Tells if there's nothing I can't I can't vibe with that,

LaToya (01:01:34.606)
Mm-hmm.

LaToya (01:01:42.713)
I I can respect it. I can I can respect it. Again, I didn't lose sleep over it. I was I was I was awake doing work, but I did listen I did listen to the album. I mean not the album. I listened to those two songs and I was just like, This is a crime. But I'm gonna let the white folks fight it out 'cause I d I don't

AE (01:01:43.663)
Yeah. Yeah.

AE (01:01:55.203)
Mm-hmm.

Ridiculous ridiculous Yeah, they'll deal with it. I don't pay attention to the billboard anyway and choose a text Texas had it's run like it's not a big deal, but There's something about Taylor Swift that that gets a reaction out of because it's also she's the biggest star in the world She's the biggest star in the world like the last election there was waiting for Taylor Swift to Drop who she riding for it was like a whole thing and then do nothing but

LaToya (01:02:14.774)
Yeah.

LaToya (01:02:20.844)
Right. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Right. At off.

AE (01:02:25.547)
It was a it was a so she's she's she's a huge artist. So I respected what she got it to but like music is music and if it's not good, it's not good

LaToya (01:02:33.442)
That's real. That's real. Is there anything else you need to get off your chest? Any other hot topic? Any other things you wanna you wanna

AE (01:02:34.861)
Yeah No, that's what I it to be well I said it's best all to To be well and have a good rest of the week and I just want to eat better and and get in shape man I feel like that's literally one of the best things i've done In the last 10 no, I don't want to say that the best thing I did for myself in terms of like my body and like everything's like of actually locking in

LaToya (01:02:41.398)
Okay.

LaToya (01:02:48.598)
Okay.

LaToya (01:02:56.994)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm.

AE (01:03:04.727)
and losing the weight like it's changed everything so get well guys

LaToya (01:03:08.748)
Yeah, very similar. Very, very similar. Like I just I feel like it's it's boosted like my confidence. Obviously it's boosted you know, like my energy. and yeah, I just like feel like I can present like as my like best self or just like a better version of me, like like when I feel like more confident like in my body, like and that's that's a real thing and I'm not ashamed of that. So there's that. And I'm not shaming other people to lose weight, but I'm like

AE (01:03:20.1)
Yeah.

AE (01:03:27.353)
Yeah.

AE (01:03:32.313)
Yeah.

Yeah.

LaToya (01:03:38.998)
It's c it's kinda cute over here. It's kinda nice over here.

AE (01:03:39.942)
That's a little bit. Listen, man. It's a little bit of shame. Because the reason why I don't mind shaming big people because I was an... No, listen, not in that way. Not in a bad way. Let me fit it. Let me fit it.

LaToya (01:03:46.932)
No, we're not saying

Yes. Let's say it's not shimmy.

AE (01:03:54.354)
I still identify as a big dude. You know what saying? Like I'm still a big dude in my head. That, that, that by dysmorphia is real. I can speak about fat people because I was fat. I was that person. It's not fun. It's not fun walking up a flight of stairs and being out of breath. It's not fun being out of breath, tying your shoes. It's not fun having all your clothes silhouetted by your belly.

LaToya (01:04:18.252)
Yeah.

AE (01:04:19.041)
And I'm still going through that where it's like it's still in my mind like man, like my belly's poking out or my arms. It's not fun.

And the clothes you gotta buy or paying more or having to adjust this or not seeing your size or sweating a lot. All that stuff. I'm going through all that. That's not fun. And so I can tell other big people's like, I know you're not having fun either. And it's also the desire. Like I know as a big person, you want to lose weight. You desire to be on this journey to shed the fat and do all the things because you could live better. And blood work.

I come from a family of high cholesterol, high diabetes, when I went to the doctor, cholesterol high, blood pressure high, that's scary. Glucose high, A1C high, like, that...

LaToya (01:04:59.426)
Yeah.

AE (01:05:05.221)
could kill you, you will die. That's objective. That's not like people being mean to you or trying to like make you feel bad for yourself. people say this to you because we want you around. We want you to be here. And it just takes making a decision to like make your life a little better. It's not easy. It's not easy, definitely hard, but it's a decision that needs to be made. That's all I'm saying.

LaToya (01:05:15.949)
Yeah.

LaToya (01:05:25.078)
Yeah. No, I was I was watching a video on TikTok yesterday and this woman was saying, like, some of y'all need to stop giving yourself grace. Like you've you've given yourself plenty of grace. And it and it really hit me because I like the reason why the reason why I was up late working on that project is because I c I was kept giving myself lots of grace. Like, take your time, like the work will will come together when it needs to. And it's like, no, and now

AE (01:05:34.085)
Listen, man!

LaToya (01:05:51.663)
Shit is literally hitting the fan and like you haven't done what you're supposed to do. So it's like, no, like you're not, like, you don't get to take a nap. Like, you need to get this stuff done. Like, that's not like the grace, you you have used it. You you have been given it now, like get to work or whatever, or there will be consequences. And so, obviously everybody's journey looks different, but I'm like naming that like.

AE (01:05:53.772)
Exactly.

AE (01:06:08.634)
Facts. Facts.

LaToya (01:06:17.282)
it there was a lot of things that just like were not fun on that on this other side of like the health journey. And like I just didn't want to and experience those non fun things anymore. So I'm out here doing what I gotta do. So yeah.

AE (01:06:22.63)
Yeah.

AE (01:06:29.147)
Thanks.

effects.

And final thing that's a great point you brought up about grace because the process of losing weight also teaches you How on when you have to be and how much grace you actually do give yourself for years I sworn everything I loved if I ate right and worked out for five days. I could go crazy Saturday and Sunday and Monday I'll be stood I'll be down three pounds I Sworn everything and I was doing that over I was in the gym what but Friday and Saturday Sunday eating whatever I wanted

LaToya (01:06:43.31)
Mm-hmm.

LaToya (01:06:51.534)
Yeah.

AE (01:07:03.432)
Until it was like, wait, that can't be the case because I'm not getting the results that I want. I can no longer give myself grace. And you wouldn't know that until you dive into the process and get started on your plan and get started on this process. Because that's not just fitness lessons, but it's life lessons in general. So will behoove you to get in that gym and cook that food.

LaToya (01:07:06.946)
Yeah.

LaToya (01:07:21.272)
Yeah.

Yeah, that's fair. Mm-hmm.

LaToya (01:07:28.802)
Yes. Agreed. Okay. So before we wrap up, the last time you gave me some questions for this or that. Today I'm gonna give you some questions. Again, the rules are simple. you have to pick one. No dissertations, no no legal review. So keep just keep it keep it simple. So first question. AI writes your wedding vows or your partner's ex writes them?

AE (01:07:31.161)
Yeah.

AE (01:07:37.613)
Mm-hmm.

AE (01:07:46.054)
I love you, Griffey.

Okay.

AE (01:08:00.742)
Yeah. I don't what the hell. What the hell?

LaToya (01:08:01.931)
Okay. cable forever.

LaToya (01:08:10.318)
Cable forever or six streaming services forever. Okay.

AE (01:08:17.094)
Cable forever. That cable feeling, top streaming feelings all day.

LaToya (01:08:22.574)
Okay. Full album surprise drop or a six month rollout.

AE (01:08:28.528)
Six Months World Out.

LaToya (01:08:30.772)
No phone at concerts or no phone on vacation.

AE (01:08:38.596)
No phone on vacation.

LaToya (01:08:41.518)
Okay. only new movies for a year or only nineties movies for a year.

AE (01:08:51.769)
that's good. Damn. Only new movies for a year.

LaToya (01:08:58.296)
Gym go into the gym at five AM or give up your favorite food for six months.

AE (01:09:06.882)
5am gym. Easy. Easy work. Easy.

LaToya (01:09:08.012)
Okay. a great song with a terrible rollout or a terrible song with an amazing rollout.

AE (01:09:20.12)
great song to ever roll out all day every day

LaToya (01:09:21.814)
Okay. an AI personal assistant who knows everything about you, or a human assistant who barely knows anything.

AE (01:09:33.015)
Sheesh. Yuck. I'm not gonna hold you. I'm sorry, AI assistant. Work with somebody, because if you don't know me, then we're not gonna work well together. That's gonna be, that's gonna suck. That's gonna suck. If there was a third option to just hire somebody who knows me, I'll do that. But if it's really not an AI, who knows it? AI. Yeah. It's literally called this or that. That, this, that, or then, yeah.

LaToya (01:09:44.088)
Yeah.

LaToya (01:09:53.452)
Yep. This or that.

LaToya (01:10:01.087)
Right. And I guess my last one. Okay. AI disappears tomorrow. Are you relieved or disappo or devastated?

AE (01:10:08.91)
Devastated. I gotta do all this stuff by myself.

devastated, but I'll get over it. I'll definitely get over it.

LaToya (01:10:17.752)
my gosh. Okay. Okay, before we get out of here, it's one more thing. what what's something that you're taking into this week? What's something that you're taking into this week?

AE (01:10:35.14)
that there is no situation, personal thing, that is bigger than me. There's nothing that will come that I can't handle or that would be the end of the world. I'm taking the power out of the what ifs. A lot of times you go into the weeks, just do what the Monday scare is, it's just based in fear. I'm terrified of what may come and I think that's a...

LaToya (01:10:47.98)
Mm.

LaToya (01:10:57.048)
Yeah.

AE (01:11:01.222)
Terrible way to go through the weekend. It just causes more stress and I've been talked about Lack of sleep because you're thinking about the first thing you do when you wake up was like what I got to do Like what's that that thing that you fell asleep thinking about? Yeah, I'm trying to get the air out of those things and not let it control me this week So that's what I'm doing this week. It's calm. It's calmness this week. It's peace this week Yeah, what about you?

LaToya (01:11:06.03)
Mm-hmm.

LaToya (01:11:22.264)
I like that. I like that. I am gonna hold on to doing the hard thing first as opposed to like trying to do all the easy like little tasks first. Do the hard thing first, knock it out, and then I think I just feel like it'll look like a it's like a domino sort of like effect. Everything else are kinda like taken care of, but yeah, do the hard thing first, like lock in on that and like

AE (01:11:33.606)
Yeah, yeah. Knock it of the way,

AE (01:11:43.694)
Mm-hmm.

AE (01:11:49.35)
I like that.

LaToya (01:11:51.576)
You'll be good. So we are. We don't got no choice. We'll have no choice. We better do it before the robots take over and do it for us. So yeah. well, thanks for hanging out with me. Thanks for hanging out with us. Thanks for listening. thanks for listening to the Conversate Podcast. Again, like, subscribe, follow us on all the channels because it matters and we wanna

AE (01:11:53.102)
Yeah, I like that. We gonna kill it this week.

AE (01:12:04.986)
Do it. Facts. Facts.

AE (01:12:10.586)
Yeah, for sure.

LaToya (01:12:20.13)
We wanna keep having conversations like this and inviting you to come in and listen. So have a good one. Peace.

AE (01:12:25.062)
Yeah. Yeah, it's been complicated.